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		<title>By: Nathan Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clame for Obama&#039;s plan for change.

I&#039;m hard pressed to consider the ending of a $3 trillion, radical healthcare reform, lobbying oversight and an aggressive alternative energy plan anything less than radical change. JFK fought to bring us to the moon and that alone was a game-changer.

Disliking the change he advocates is a fair position to take. There are many credible arguments against his plans. But it&#039;s unfair to suggest he doesn&#039;t offer a concrete plan for change when it&#039;s right there.

As for American pride, I certainly brim with patriotism but am light on pride. I appreciate what American has done, and what we stand for. But that historic pride grounds my patriotism. If I look today at a radically consumerist society that prizes profit above all else, tortures our enemies, spies on its citizens without legal cause and brings war to other parts of the world I have a hard time manufacturing or sustaining pride. As for the notion that we should care what others think, I agree entirely that can be an empty cause. But we&#039;ve lost our moral and ethic bearing along the way and perhaps it&#039;s only by encountering someone different that we can fully appreciate what American stands at threat of becoming. Mrs. Obama&#039;s choice of words were less than ideal, but I think perhaps she simply realized a sense of moral contentment that came not from her husband&#039;s success, but from a tide of belief that American can be better than we&#039;ve let ourselves become.

As for me, I&#039;m not ashamed at claiming my American citizenship.

But I&#039;m ashamed to support the very actions that we deem &#039;terrorist&#039; when others practice them.
And I&#039;m ashamed that we torture false confessions, then lie about torturing, then try to define what &quot;torture&quot; is, then try to grandstand until the whole thing goes away.
And I&#039;m ashamed of the numerous actions I&#039;m complicit in, by way of taxes and consumption.
In fact, there are a great many civic shames I bear.

So I hope we change. In fact, I always hope we change. We&#039;ll never be close enough to perfection that change shouldn&#039;t be welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clame for Obama&#8217;s plan for&nbsp;change.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hard pressed to consider the ending of a $3 trillion, radical healthcare reform, lobbying oversight and an aggressive alternative energy plan anything less than radical change. JFK fought to bring us to the moon and that alone was a&nbsp;game-changer.</p>
<p>Disliking the change he advocates is a fair position to take. There are many credible arguments against his plans. But it&#8217;s unfair to suggest he doesn&#8217;t offer a concrete plan for change when it&#8217;s right&nbsp;there.</p>
<p>As for American pride, I certainly brim with patriotism but am light on pride. I appreciate what American has done, and what we stand for. But that historic pride grounds my patriotism. If I look today at a radically consumerist society that prizes profit above all else, tortures our enemies, spies on its citizens without legal cause and brings war to other parts of the world I have a hard time manufacturing or sustaining pride. As for the notion that we should care what others think, I agree entirely that can be an empty cause. But we&#8217;ve lost our moral and ethic bearing along the way and perhaps it&#8217;s only by encountering someone different that we can fully appreciate what American stands at threat of becoming. Mrs. Obama&#8217;s choice of words were less than ideal, but I think perhaps she simply realized a sense of moral contentment that came not from her husband&#8217;s success, but from a tide of belief that American can be better than we&#8217;ve let ourselves&nbsp;become.</p>
<p>As for me, I&#8217;m not ashamed at claiming my American&nbsp;citizenship.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m ashamed to support the very actions that we deem &#8216;terrorist&#8217; when others practice them.<br />
And I&#8217;m ashamed that we torture false confessions, then lie about torturing, then try to define what &#8220;torture&#8221; is, then try to grandstand until the whole thing goes away.<br />
And I&#8217;m ashamed of the numerous actions I&#8217;m complicit in, by way of taxes and consumption.<br />
In fact, there are a great many civic shames I&nbsp;bear.</p>
<p>So I hope we change. In fact, I always hope we change. We&#8217;ll never be close enough to perfection that change shouldn&#8217;t be&nbsp;welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with Obama&#039;s statement is his disregard of all that America has done, and does, for the world at large. America has nothing to be proud of? How about the fact that we give more aid to Africa than the rest of the world combined? Let&#039;s start with that. Not to mention the fact that French would be a dead language as of 1943 if it wasn&#039;t for our entrance into World War II. Nothing? No pride?

Change, change, change. Rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric. The ambiguity of calling for &quot;change&quot; is ridiculous and if I was to even come close to voting for Obama he would have to actually tell me what he wants to change and  how he&#039;s going to change it. Yes, I can call that empty. Since calling for change has no intrinsic meaning or value.

And thanks Joshua, I appreciate the kind words. I&#039;m glad I&#039;m able to do stuff that people like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with Obama&#8217;s statement is his disregard of all that America has done, and does, for the world at large. America has nothing to be proud of? How about the fact that we give more aid to Africa than the rest of the world combined? Let&#8217;s start with that. Not to mention the fact that French would be a dead language as of 1943 if it wasn&#8217;t for our entrance into World War II. Nothing? No&nbsp;pride?</p>
<p>Change, change, change. Rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric. The ambiguity of calling for &#8220;change&#8221; is ridiculous and if I was to even come close to voting for Obama he would have to actually tell me what he wants to change and  how he&#8217;s going to change it. Yes, I can call that empty. Since calling for change has no intrinsic meaning or&nbsp;value.</p>
<p>And thanks Joshua, I appreciate the kind words. I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m able to do stuff that people&nbsp;like.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad we agree on Michelle Obama. I would have serious reservations having a first lady who&#039;s only proud American moment is her husband being elected president. I find that amazingly vein and ignorant. How about the fact that she can actually vote for whoever she wants to to be president, or even voting as a woman at all? No? Not proud... interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad we agree on Michelle Obama. I would have serious reservations having a first lady who&#8217;s only proud American moment is her husband being elected president. I find that amazingly vein and ignorant. How about the fact that she can actually vote for whoever she wants to to be president, or even voting as a woman at all? No? Not proud&#8230;&nbsp;interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps - totally agree with you on michelle obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps - totally agree with you on michelle&nbsp;obama.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://www.iamaaronmartin.com/blog/2008/obama-march-4-2008/comment-page-1#comment-2048</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also a bit surprised. We&#039;ve never talked politics before so I have no idea about your leanings, but I&#039;m intreagued in light of that. 

I believe a huge role of the president is that of chief diplomat. Our standing in the world is largely influenced by foreign policy and culture. The president is directly in charge of one of those. I think after Bush we are in serious need of someone who will repair some of our diplomatic faux pas. I am a libertarian-leaning conservative, and I even considered Obama for that reason alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also a bit surprised. We&#8217;ve never talked politics before so I have no idea about your leanings, but I&#8217;m intreagued in light of&nbsp;that. </p>
<p>I believe a huge role of the president is that of chief diplomat. Our standing in the world is largely influenced by foreign policy and culture. The president is directly in charge of one of those. I think after Bush we are in serious need of someone who will repair some of our diplomatic faux pas. I am a libertarian-leaning conservative, and I even considered Obama for that reason&nbsp;alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Blount</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Aaron. BTW I&#039;m a huge fan of your work, and have been following you for some time, thanks for keeping it open / public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Aaron. BTW I&#8217;m a huge fan of your work, and have been following you for some time, thanks for keeping it open /&nbsp;public.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice reply Joshua. I disagree with a lot of what you mentioned, but I&#039;m never about getting into arguments on the internet. Thanks for commenting, I like hearing what people think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice reply Joshua. I disagree with a lot of what you mentioned, but I&#8217;m never about getting into arguments on the internet. Thanks for commenting, I like hearing what people&nbsp;think.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Blount</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Blount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised that you feel this way. I was just speaking to my wife last night about the fact that I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ve ever been &quot;proud to be an American&quot; 

I&#039;ve spent quite a bit of time out of the country following high-school, and every place I go has been so open, welcoming, and interesting, that it&#039;s very hard for me to see our country as a place to be excited about in comparison. While I haven&#039;t experienced the &quot;European Elitists&quot; you speak about, it seems like people in South America, the greater Australian continent, 

I&#039;m certainly reasonably happy with the relative stability and security that we&#039;re currently experiencing as a people, but the reality seems to be that we&#039;re leaning further and further toward a police or military state that uses fear and power to undermine the best interests of the people &amp; keep them under sense of nervous suspicion to everyone that questions the government; so much so that I don&#039;t feel as though I need to give specific examples (although I shudder visibly when I hear the words &quot;patriot&quot; and &quot;act&quot; together in any context).

I am somewhat of a supporter of Obama, feel like McCain &amp; Clinton would both be steps in the wrong direction, and I love Jesus very much. I&#039;m not sure why I mentioned that last bit other than to give you some context. 

Thanks for allowing comments, I&#039;m not interested in picking a fight, more so to help understand and try to understand other people&#039;s opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that you feel this way. I was just speaking to my wife last night about the fact that I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve ever been &#8220;proud to be an&nbsp;American&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent quite a bit of time out of the country following high-school, and every place I go has been so open, welcoming, and interesting, that it&#8217;s very hard for me to see our country as a place to be excited about in comparison. While I haven&#8217;t experienced the &#8220;European Elitists&#8221; you speak about, it seems like people in South America, the greater Australian&nbsp;continent, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly reasonably happy with the relative stability and security that we&#8217;re currently experiencing as a people, but the reality seems to be that we&#8217;re leaning further and further toward a police or military state that uses fear and power to undermine the best interests of the people &amp; keep them under sense of nervous suspicion to everyone that questions the government; so much so that I don&#8217;t feel as though I need to give specific examples (although I shudder visibly when I hear the words &#8220;patriot&#8221; and &#8220;act&#8221; together in any&nbsp;context).</p>
<p>I am somewhat of a supporter of Obama, feel like McCain &amp; Clinton would both be steps in the wrong direction, and I love Jesus very much. I&#8217;m not sure why I mentioned that last bit other than to give you some&nbsp;context. </p>
<p>Thanks for allowing comments, I&#8217;m not interested in picking a fight, more so to help understand and try to understand other people&#8217;s&nbsp;opinions.</p>
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